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		<title>By: Кавказский Выпуск &#8211; Как измерить патриотизм</title>
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		<dc:creator>Кавказский Выпуск &#8211; Как измерить патриотизм</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 14:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Giorgio Comai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giorgio Comai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 20:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For all those interested in a thorough discussion of the difference between patriotism and nationalism, I suggest the reading of a book by Maurizio Viroli, &quot;For Love of Country: An Essay on Patriotism and Nationalism&quot;, published by the Oxford University Press. Most university libraries will have it... and Amazon allows the reading of the introduction and conclusions.
http://www.amazon.com/Love-Country-Essay-Patriotism-Nationalism/dp/0198293585

In the book, Viroli discusses the meaning of fatherland and patriotism through the centuries. But in the epilogue of the book (available from Amazon and worth reading, page 161 and following), Viroli first describes different takes on patriotism by contemporary philosophers and thinkers. Then it becomes more explcitely some kind of manifesto of a “patriotism of liberty”, that while based on universalistic values, it is meant to serve one&#039;s community (that in its own turn is supposed to serve the citizen:“Love and loyalty are demanding passions; they may require us to make serious sacrifices. We ought to be entitled to demanding in turn as to whom we should love and be loyal to. … to demand that our country be committed to liberty and justice...“)
Patriotism, as understood by Viroli, is strongly connected with political liberty, civic virtue and the idea of justice. Besides, he claims that love for your homeland does not imply (and did not imply in past centuries) hate for your neighbours or other countries in general.
So if you are interested in alternative views on patriotism (that clearely opposes it to nationalism, and actually see it as the best tool to fight nationalism), Viroli&#039;s book is definitely a good start. 

Besides, also Hamermas defined patriotism in a way that clearely differentiates it from nationalism... while sometimes claimed to be too rational and not passionate enough to be actually successful in a country, the whole idea of &quot;consitutional patriotism&quot; (wikipedia has a short article about it, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_patriotism) is definitely part of the larger debate on patriotism VS nationalism. 

I&#039;m not sure how all of this relates to the Caucasus... but anyway, I feel, these readings are good food for thought.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all those interested in a thorough discussion of the difference between patriotism and nationalism, I suggest the reading of a book by Maurizio Viroli, &#8220;For Love of Country: An Essay on Patriotism and Nationalism&#8221;, published by the Oxford University Press. Most university libraries will have it&#8230; and Amazon allows the reading of the introduction and conclusions.<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Love-Country-Essay-Patriotism-Nationalism/dp/0198293585" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Love-Country-Essay-Patriotism-Nationalism/dp/0198293585</a></p>
<p>In the book, Viroli discusses the meaning of fatherland and patriotism through the centuries. But in the epilogue of the book (available from Amazon and worth reading, page 161 and following), Viroli first describes different takes on patriotism by contemporary philosophers and thinkers. Then it becomes more explcitely some kind of manifesto of a “patriotism of liberty”, that while based on universalistic values, it is meant to serve one&#8217;s community (that in its own turn is supposed to serve the citizen:“Love and loyalty are demanding passions; they may require us to make serious sacrifices. We ought to be entitled to demanding in turn as to whom we should love and be loyal to. … to demand that our country be committed to liberty and justice&#8230;“)<br />
Patriotism, as understood by Viroli, is strongly connected with political liberty, civic virtue and the idea of justice. Besides, he claims that love for your homeland does not imply (and did not imply in past centuries) hate for your neighbours or other countries in general.<br />
So if you are interested in alternative views on patriotism (that clearely opposes it to nationalism, and actually see it as the best tool to fight nationalism), Viroli&#8217;s book is definitely a good start. </p>
<p>Besides, also Hamermas defined patriotism in a way that clearely differentiates it from nationalism&#8230; while sometimes claimed to be too rational and not passionate enough to be actually successful in a country, the whole idea of &#8220;consitutional patriotism&#8221; (wikipedia has a short article about it, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_patriotism" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_patriotism</a>) is definitely part of the larger debate on patriotism VS nationalism. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how all of this relates to the Caucasus&#8230; but anyway, I feel, these readings are good food for thought.</p>
<p>Thank you for sharing your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Edgar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edgar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your comment. I think patriots and nationalists alike are afraid. As one of my friends has commented, -“They fear to loose what they know and what they have. They fear to get lost in a changing world, be it by a direct force, such as war, or an indirect force, such as globalization, or so on”. 

Problem is indeed that some power: politicians or mafia, or whatever, always makes use of this fear to keep the people under their total control.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment. I think patriots and nationalists alike are afraid. As one of my friends has commented, -“They fear to loose what they know and what they have. They fear to get lost in a changing world, be it by a direct force, such as war, or an indirect force, such as globalization, or so on”. </p>
<p>Problem is indeed that some power: politicians or mafia, or whatever, always makes use of this fear to keep the people under their total control.</p>
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		<title>By: Onnik Krikorian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Onnik Krikorian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve always viewed patriotism, or at least been forced to do so after more than a decade in Armenia, as being love for a country, but also being able to be critical of it in order to improve it. Nationalism, on the other hand, is a blind love for your country (determined by an accident of birth) which centers around considering it better than any other, often accompanied by prejudice and intolerance, as well as by being hostile to any other citizen or domestic group who speaks out about what they think needs to change. 

There are some good quotes on this:

&lt;i&gt;Patriotism is proud of a country’s virtues and eager to correct its deficiencies; it also acknowledges the legitimate patriotism of other countries, with their own specific virtues. The pride of nationalism, however, trumpets its country’s virtues and denies its deficiencies, while it is contemptuous toward the virtues of other countries. [...]  — Sydney J. Harris&lt;/i&gt;

http://www.mahablog.com/2006/02/19/patriotism-v-nationalism/

Even more interesting is how both terms fit in with the concept of democracy. Well, let me rephrase that -- how democratic societies will be tolerant of alternative views on how countries and societies should develop, whereas nationalism is totally at odds with the concept of democracy and is more akin to fascism. Unfortunately, some people consider patriotism to be the same as nationalism, or at least dress up the latter as the former to make it seem more palatable.

Probably, you can argue that this has happened in this region (although also among certain sections of US society), and so, as a result, I have become uneasy about the use of either term. Besides, I never liked labels anyway... :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always viewed patriotism, or at least been forced to do so after more than a decade in Armenia, as being love for a country, but also being able to be critical of it in order to improve it. Nationalism, on the other hand, is a blind love for your country (determined by an accident of birth) which centers around considering it better than any other, often accompanied by prejudice and intolerance, as well as by being hostile to any other citizen or domestic group who speaks out about what they think needs to change. </p>
<p>There are some good quotes on this:</p>
<p><i>Patriotism is proud of a country’s virtues and eager to correct its deficiencies; it also acknowledges the legitimate patriotism of other countries, with their own specific virtues. The pride of nationalism, however, trumpets its country’s virtues and denies its deficiencies, while it is contemptuous toward the virtues of other countries. [...]  — Sydney J. Harris</i></p>
<p><a href="http://www.mahablog.com/2006/02/19/patriotism-v-nationalism/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mahablog.com/2006/02/19/patriotism-v-nationalism/</a></p>
<p>Even more interesting is how both terms fit in with the concept of democracy. Well, let me rephrase that &#8212; how democratic societies will be tolerant of alternative views on how countries and societies should develop, whereas nationalism is totally at odds with the concept of democracy and is more akin to fascism. Unfortunately, some people consider patriotism to be the same as nationalism, or at least dress up the latter as the former to make it seem more palatable.</p>
<p>Probably, you can argue that this has happened in this region (although also among certain sections of US society), and so, as a result, I have become uneasy about the use of either term. Besides, I never liked labels anyway&#8230; <img src='http://caucasusedition.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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